The women testified last week. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. 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Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. This story has been shared 114,982 times. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. What evidence is there she actually left the state? According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. And Patricia did live in another state. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. She was the one that left Andy! Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. It was total shock. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Pal stays true. Traupman died in 2016. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. Media galore. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. He was captured in August and is in state custody. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. Then you claim this is an opinion. And I have absolutely no sympathy. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. You are absolutely right. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. The real killer is Rorrer! Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. She is the one who tricked them, first by The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? And shes were so happy. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. in journalism from the University of Southern California. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. . Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. I dont even know its Christmas.. Emailus. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Its totally irrelevant. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Jerry Browns office. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. 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Cop defends accused. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. More hairs there. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. I thought the same. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! It was Patricias hair no question. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! Look into it. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. Sad discovery. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. What definition? Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Highly charged case. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. The case was eventually abandoned. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. 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Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. And NOBODY saw her at all? Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. How so? At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. . On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Its barely visible in the picture. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. SHAME ON THEM. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. You took my life. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Thank you and well said. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. No charmed life. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Still, no good leads materialized. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. You say by definition! Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!!

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