Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. They are taking advantage of a market surplus. Many may look back later in life with a better career and better economics fondly with the experience they had along with friendships made. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? Breeze Airways Pilots are responsible for ensuring safe and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company policies and Federal Aviation Regulations. There is nothing wrong with it: young doctors tend to be closest to what's cutting edge and have read the latest medical studies and literature. Wont fly them with this info. Poor, poor me. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. I sure appreciate it. 6) When I have a lay-over in some capital of commerce, I may even be able to interview for my next great adventure for once I graduate! Vote. Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. Will they get pilots? In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary. Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? Very clever. Take it easy. Breeze Airways Hello! Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six The old adage "Skilled labor isn't cheap - Cheap labor isn't skilled" still applies. "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. Also: are families welcome? It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. And there are always plenty more ready to come into the pipeline. Glorious. No thank you! They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. For what you spent in training together with what is intelectually asked of a pilot, pay is completely out of line with most smaller/regional airlines. 2) Free Travel! Their value is astronomical. Find Salaries Clear All The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. Meanwhile my friends will be stuck in their entry-level cubicles. Or what if you Wow, quite a few idiot comments: Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. Heres come the nanny union effectively telling them they arent capable of making that decision. Maybe we should let other adults be adults, and them have the freedom to figure out what works well for their own lives. How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. With the A220 entering service in early 2022, the company will rapidly expand its network throughout the US and beyond, creating new base opportunities, very attractive lines of flying, very quick upgrades, and excellent quality of life. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Interesting. This is absolutely exploitive. Site Support. He is probably right in both those factors. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. You get what you pay for folks! All rights reserved. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. And a minimum of 40. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? I know that Breeze is hiring for captain right seat flying, aka the pilot has captain qualifications, but will be flying as first officers until there is enough flying for them to be moved to the left seat. Thanks for the weird post about the fast food you like, though :). I would have loved an opportunity like this. At Breeze, we want to empower and support our Team Members so they can, in turn, empower and support our Guests every step of the journey. If not the comparison is poor. Landing June 2023. People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. There are young people for whom a collegial work environment and highly social university-style housing would be quite appealing while they build skills. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. P Glotzer (United States) 1st March 2023. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). more like the lived way of another religious group who is willing to do ANYTHING to keep control in place, . Look down, "Your Highness". To eat while traveling. Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? New airplane, new business model. Of course, I know plenty of poor souls that wont have a choice. Airfare provided to go home monthly. I am over the moon thrilled! The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. If not the airplane no flight. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees How will Breeze compensate flight attendants? Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. No person interactions. Not a bad gig for a college student. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. I wish you luck in you career and travels. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. Actual flight time? Low fares. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. No guests. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! Oh the horror of being open about the terms of the jobs and the compensation and then allowing potential flight attendants to decide if they want to accept the arrangement. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. At least, I can't find that information. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). But lets say you have a couple of days off. Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. . He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Fly for less money and less stress. Lots of waiting around and prep time. This hasnt been without controversy, though. Nice, new and nonstop. I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Posted by 5 minutes ago. Does everyone just think about cost of a ticket, but not how safe the aircraft are? For a college student, this beats the shit out of working at the mall. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly It may be time to consider this for FAs too. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. But how does this affect pay for pilots? The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card, Avelo Airlines having launched operations, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup, expected to start selling tickets any day now, Breeze Airways views flight attendants as interns, Breeze wants you to buy a filet mignon sandwich, Breeze will have low fares, no change fees, Breeze has a huge cost advantage over competitors, Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, Should Babies Be Allowed In First Class? This is absolutely exploitive. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. 1) Free Housing! If the public and the FAA is satisfied with the drinks they get served and the safety practices that by law must be followed then perhaps there is no reason at all for them to vote with their feet. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? As a college student, I love the idea! Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. That would make for some interesting competition to Southwest. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? I am quite happy Doctor Kendor didn't get too comfortable in some cushy union-enabled physical therapy gig offering an artificial pay scale and relentlessly reinforcing an artificial sense of self-importance. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". Have you gone to college? No guests. It will be interesting to see how this twist in offering a perpetual/consistently youthful corps of flight attendants at Breeze versus those with (decades of) seniority at other airlines plays out, thats for sure. The experience and skillset I got at that first job enabled me to quickly move into work paying many multiples of that first internship-like position. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. What we have here is an attempt to hornswoggle naive, inexperienced workers by adding a meaningless term to an employment contract. Great article !!! I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. Im a retired AA captain. You don't get any insurances. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Cringing at the pay rateless than $100 per day and the hours can be brutal. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Certainly in today's world that is a luxury. Be honest. Not Verified | Breeze is an interesting new airline with pros and cons. This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. Our business address is: Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Im sure theyd leap at the chance to earn USD given the depreciation of the R$. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! Go there to get flight time and then move on. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. It gets so tiresome. The bad news is that there may not be enough hours. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? Not how youd describe most 70-year-olds. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Must have 2,000 hours total time in large, Group II transport category, fixed-wing aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Unions. Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. Fares are still way to high in the industry. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". Almost every airline has it in the agreement that upon graduation from FA training you have to get yourself to whatever base they need crew at. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. . Free housing with huge tuition reimbursement. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Welcome! The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. However, earning minimum wages at a dead-end job, working every weekend, no benefits, no time/money/opportunity to explore new cities, and being forced to sign a 4-year contract at the outset are all red flags that employment as a flight attendant at Breeze should be avoided at all costs. Close. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. Breeze will be a low cost carrier primarily operating point-to-point routes that arent currently served. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. So much whining and squealing. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. These numbers are minimums. A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. Dolts.read the whole article. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. Students hired by Breeze under the program, however, can only work as flight attendants while they are completing the university course. The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. Be honest. Log into your account. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. There is no coercion, there is no exploitation - if the pay is too little, pilots won't join and they'll have to revamp their compensation structure to entice people to join. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. Good luck, Febreeze! I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. I felt fortunate. 100% Upvoted. Maybe its just SPS. And their policy looks discriminatory to me as it seems to (without directly saying it) exclude any older, experienced flight attendants and those who are married. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance?

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